Netflix "Cuties"; pushing child porn.

[phylodog]

I'm surprised that no one is expressing outrage over the scene where she stabs a schoolmate with a pen, or the scene where she pushes one of the girl dancers into the river so she can dance in her place.

There was a time when people would be but we, as a society have become numb to violence. We're bombarded with it so frequently on tv, movies and news that short of a snuff film, violence is not going to cause an uproar today. Is that a good thing? I don't think so but it didn't get this way overnight, there wasn't a flip of a switch. It was slowly introduced in greater and more graphic ways, the exact same thing being attempted with pedophilia in this country.

 

[Snapdragon]

There was a time when people would be but we, as a society have become numb to violence. We're bombarded with it so frequently on tv, movies and news that short of a snuff film, violence is not going to cause an uproar today. Is that a good thing? I don't think so but it didn't get this way overnight, there wasn't a flip of a switch. It was slowly introduced in greater and more graphic ways, the exact same thing being attempted with pedophilia in this country.

Certainly her imitating the way she sees the big girls dance is concerning, but I still think that pushing someone in the river and walking away, potentially leaving them to drown, is more concerning, especially when it is a young girl doing it. The dancing was just one of many elements of Amy's moral unraveling caused by her rebellion from her family's strict ways.

 

[Ziggidy]

Who is this "we" that sees it? Certainly not you, since you have not seen it. Again, you need to watch it before commenting.

I don't always need to see or hear something to know it is not good.

I will ask if you have seen it? For those who are telling me there is no children being exploited sexually, have you seen it? Some seem to be supporting it without seeing it so how can one look down upon me? I guess every one cannot express an opinion on anything, anywhere unless they themselves have experienced it or seen it?

Interesting...

 

[Snapdragon]

I guess every one cannot express an opinion on anything, anywhere unless they themselves have experienced it or seen it?

Interesting...

In this case, I would say so. Kind of silly to start a thread criticizing a movie that you have only heard about and have not bothered to watch.

 

[JettaKnight]

I see it's actually a French film... it all makes sense now.

 

[phylodog]

Certainly her imitating the way she sees the big girls dance is concerning, but I still think that pushing someone in the river and walking away, potentially leaving them to drown, is more concerning, especially when it is a young girl doing it. The dancing was just one of many elements of Amy's moral unraveling caused by her rebellion from her family's strict ways.

Keep the blinders on if you want to. Sex, sexy clothes, nude pics, and erotic dancing with children involved is a hard no. Even if it is just part of a story, even if it is just a little bit, even if the French are ok with it. It's a hard ****ing no. That standard does not change, will not change and what was unacceptable 20 years ago is and should remain unacceptable until the last human on earth breathes their last breath.

 

[phylodog]

The dancing was just one of many elements of Amy's moral unraveling caused by her rebellion from her family's strict ways.

Sounds like the movie could certainly have told the same story without the controversial stuff. I wonder why they felt it necessary to put it in there?

 

[Bigtanker]

Looking as some of the screenshots of the movie, I see no way this is "art" or anything other than porn. I won't post pics or links but the images/trailers at not that hard to find. I see no other way then to call it porn.

 

[Snapdragon]

Sounds like the movie could certainly have told the same story without the controversial stuff. I wonder why they felt it necessary to put it in there?

I suppose that there are parts that could have been left out, but then it would not have told the whole story. Part of the evolution of Amy is that she is learning that women use their bodies to get attention or get what they want. The fact that an 11 year old girl has learned this is unpleasant, but not necessarily something that should be ignored in the story.

My biggest issue at this point is the people who feel they can discuss/criticize it when they have not seen it.

 

[Snapdragon]

Looking as some of the screenshots of the movie, I see no way this is "art" or anything other than porn. I won't post pics or links but the images/trailers at not that hard to find. I see no other way then to call it porn.

Yes, that short scene showed behavior that was totally inappropriate for their age group, even though it's something you see all day long on music video channels. I won't argue that it was disturbing.

If someone who has actually watched the movie still wants to call it porn, I will respect their opinion. I just don't happen to think it meets the definition, no matter how unpleasant and inappropriate it is.

 

[Ziggidy]

In this case, I would say so. Kind of silly to start a thread criticizing a movie that you have only heard about and have not bothered to watch.

I disagree. I saw the poster or ad for it. That was plenty enough for me.

On the flip-side, is it ok to support rumor of kiddie porn when one has has not seen it?

 

[JettaKnight]

I disagree. I saw the poster or ad for it. That was plenty enough for me.

On the flip-side, is it ok to support rumor of kiddie porn when one has has not seen it?

That doesn't make any sense.

I'm not taking up a side, but aren't you "support[-ing the] rumor of kiddie porn" w/o seeing it?

You argument seems to be against yourself, so I'm not sure that's what you meant.



And you "saw the poster or ad"? Like in a subway station (do they have those in Ziggidyville?) or bus stop? You just happened by it? Or did you read about it on an editorial site or catch it on a YouTube channel? I'm thinking your opinion was formed not by analyzing the subject matter, but instead being told what it is by others.


At least SnapDragon is willing to consider the material and form her own assessment.

 

[phylodog]

I suppose that there are parts that could have been left out, but then it would not have told the whole story. Part of the evolution of Amy is that she is learning that women use their bodies to get attention or get what they want. The fact that an 11 year old girl has learned this is unpleasant, but not necessarily something that should be ignored in the story.

My biggest issue at this point is the people who feel they can discuss/criticize it when they have not seen it.

You are attempting to justify the use of children in a sexual manner. You aren’t going to sway isn’t minds on it. We get it, you’re ok with it.

 

[JettaKnight]

You are attempting to justify the use of children in a sexual manner. You aren’t going to sway isn’t minds on it. We get it, you’re ok with it.

 

[IndianaSoloMcfly]

You are attempting to justify the use of children in a sexual manner. You aren’t going to sway isn’t minds on it. We get it, you’re ok with it.

I cant find the “reaching” emoji. So just imagine it here.

“Reaching”

 

[Snapdragon]

I'm not OK with using children in a sexual manner. (Believe me, you don't know HOW not OK I am with it. ) But it's not like that's what is being encouraged in the film. They are simply acknowledging that it exists.

Again, I am expressing an opinion based on actually viewing the film and attempting to understand what it is trying to convey, not on seeing a screenshot and parroting what I heard from someone else (who probably did not watch it either.).

 

[IndianaSoloMcfly]

Yeah... getting mad about something you’ve been told you should be mad about without doing any of your own study..

No better than “AR’s are High powered killing machines!! They should be banned” or whatever example you want to insert

 

[Ziggidy]

I'm not OK with using children in a sexual manner. (Believe me, you don't know HOW not OK I am with it. ) But it's not like that's what is being encouraged in the film. They are simply acknowledging that it exists.

Again, I am expressing an opinion based on actually viewing the film and attempting to understand what it is trying to convey, not on seeing a screenshot and parroting what I heard from someone else (who probably did not watch it either.).

Twice I have heard in this thread that the topless screen shot (regardless if it was a model or not) along with the outtake pics someone posted (disgusting) is actually not part of the story line so it is ok. The pics seemingly do not tell the story. Then I read that those same references is not enough to make a distinct decision to call it filth, child porn, exploitation of children?

One does not need to stand in fire to know it's hot and dangerous. Soft porn is still porn. Sexually inappropriate dancing is wrong at any age, especially at 11 years old. Who allowed this and who taught the young ladies to act like tramps?

Why are we allowing this?

 

[Ziggidy]

For the record, I can care less about what consenting adults do in their homes; none of my business (as long as it's legal). When children are involved, it is our responsibility to prevent this kind of perverseness. If there is any question of whether or not one should speak up, when it comes to children, you always err on the side of caution.

 

[chezuki]

Looking as some of the screenshots of the movie, I see no way this is "art" or anything other than porn. I hesitate to post the pic but I'll post the link to a story that has pics. I see no other way then to call it porn.

https://cdn.newspunch.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/cuties-pure-evil-640x480-1-800x600.jpg.webp

I’m uncertain where I stand in regards the the movie. I have not seen it, and have no desire to. That said, blurring the images in this way is somewhat misleading, especially amid the outrage and hyperbole of labeling it child porn.

I do not believe the makers of the film intended it to be erotic material for peadophiles, but that doesn’t necessarily mean Netflix’s isn’t targeting that demo. Consider the Netflix promotional poster vs the original...

I do commend Snap for actually watching it. I’ve not heard any first-hand outrage from anyone who has actually seen the movie, only from those who heard what to be outraged over from someone else.