Odd statement from police

[Clay Pigeon]

Is it best practice to search with your weapon light as the officer in the video did?

That's been the topic of more than one conversation in the house tonight..

 

[Dead Duck]

Are we sure the dog didn't shoot her?

 

[phylodog]

Is it best practice to search with your weapon light as the officer in the video did?

Two hands is always preferred on a handgun. If both hands are there it makes a lot of sense to use the support hand to operate the light. That isn't always possible.

 

[Gabriel]

Can we preserve this thread for future generations that want to know the definition of an armchair quarterback?

You are a god among insects.

 

[Clay Pigeon]

I could see several scenarios which could cause an involuntary tightening of the entire hand. Might that put the finger on the trigger? Possibly.

Might dealing with a large dog which, contrary to what some have said, seemed pretty damned irritated to me and appeared to be trying to get out of that kennel convince someone that they may have to shoot the dog to protect themselves? I reckon it's possible.

The possibility that this officer experienced a set of circumstances which none of us has faced is pretty substantial. I'm not going to sit back, pound my chest and proclaim that I'm better than he is.

I've had my finger on the trigger plenty of times, hundreds of times and never pulled it. I've had handguns pointed at several with my finger on the trigger and never pulled it. Some are better suited to the job than others but this thread serves as a shining example of why this country is finding it difficult to recruit capable men and women for the job.

As far as the weight of a trigger is concerned, be it 3.5lbs, 5lbs, 12lbs or 100lbs if nothing pulls the trigger a Glock isn't going to go off. A 12lb does nothing but ensures that officers will struggle to put one round out of 50 on target in a stressful situation. 5lbs is perfectly acceptable and I base that off just a wee bit of experience.

I agree with your post except the last paragraph... Others just have wee bits of experience themselves.. I'm in the camp that you can use "struggle ", but I use well aware that one is discharging his handgun, and you don't get that with a 5 lb striker triggers..
And yes, you did pound your chest at the end of your post.

 

[Clay Pigeon]

Are we sure the dog didn't shoot her?

That will be proven with the shooters body cam footage...

 

[bgcatty]

Watch the video and it’s truly amateur hour!!! If I handled my pistols like that at my range the RO would throw me out! Ouch!!!

 

[phylodog]

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I agree with your post except the last paragraph... Others just have wee bits of experience themselves.. I'm in the camp that you can use "struggle ", but I use well aware that one is discharging his handgun, and you don't get that with a 5 lb striker triggers..
And yes, you did pound your chest at the end of your post.

Yes, you do get that with12lb triggers. What you don't get with 12lb triggers is any hope for accuracy, especially under stress.

No chest pounding here, simply stating fact. I was burdened with a 12lb trigger for years. I got that policy changed and proceeded to train more than 2000 police officers, witnessing the benefits and find zero problems with unintentional or accidental discharges.

 

[Ark]

Yikes. There is nothing defensible about ND'ing into another police officer because you were screwing with a dog in a cage. It's ridiculous that this person will be allowed to stay on the force. Friendly fire should be a one way ticket the hell outta police work.

 

[phylodog]

Watch the video and it’s truly amateur hour!!! If I handled my pistols like that at my range the RO would throw me out! Ouch!!!

Golly! Those officers sure are lucky there wasn't a RO around!!

 

[phylodog]

Done

(again lol)

 

[Dead Duck]

Done

(again lol)

But it's Friday night and some of us haven't started drinking yet.

 

[Trigger Time]

I could see several scenarios which could cause an involuntary tightening of the entire hand. Might that put the finger on the trigger? Possibly.

Might dealing with a large dog which, contrary to what some have said, seemed pretty damned irritated to me and appeared to be trying to get out of that kennel convince someone that they may have to shoot the dog to protect themselves? I reckon it's possible.

The possibility that this officer experienced a set of circumstances which none of us has faced is pretty substantial. I'm not going to sit back, pound my chest and proclaim that I'm better than he is.

I've had my finger on the trigger plenty of times, hundreds of times and never pulled it. I've had handguns pointed at several with my finger on the trigger and never pulled it. Some are better suited to the job than others but this thread serves as a shining example of why this country is finding it difficult to recruit capable men and women for the job.

As far as the weight of a trigger is concerned, be it 3.5lbs, 5lbs, 12lbs or 100lbs if nothing pulls the trigger a Glock isn't going to go off. A 12lb does nothing but ensures that officers will struggle to put one round out of 50 on target in a stressful situation. 5lbs is perfectly acceptable and I base that off just a wee bit of experience.

Yep, as you are well trained the above doesn't surprise me at all.
I've taught soldiers in the past that it's always ok to not pull that trigger if you don't need to. Just because your finger touched it doesnt mean you need to destroy something. It comes off as easily as it went on. Goes back on easily too and the weapon still works just as well lol.
This takes training. Repetition.
Phylo makes great points here that can be learned from

 

[Clay Pigeon]

Yes, you do get that with12lb triggers. What you don't get with 12lb triggers is any hope for accuracy, especially under stress.

No chest pounding here, simply stating fact. I was burdened with a 12lb trigger for years. I got that policy changed and proceeded to train more than 2000 police officers, witnessing the benefits and find zero problems with unintentional or accidental discharges.

I wonder what the civil suit will settle for? I'm betting on huge Power Ball money..

 

[Itchytriggerfinger]

You are a god among insects.

As long as you realize it.

 

[alabasterjar]

2 minute 30 second from shot to ambulance. I heard that was unpossible!

I bet the medics took her to a qualified trauma center with a police escort, too. Imagine the possible difference in outcome for the Crawfordsville citizen if he had been afforded the same level of care...

 

[actaeon277]

Can we preserve this thread for future generations that want to know the definition of an armchair quarterback?

I'm sure the INGO LEOs have seen all the quarterbacking there is.

 

[churchmouse]

They are showing the bodycam footage of the Lafayette officer shooting the other day, and a statement from their police chief that there was "no negligence or carelessness" involved. However, if you watch the footage, one officer is following the officer-victim out a door with his handgun aimed at her back, and his finger on the trigger.

If you have evidence that AT LEAST two of the four rules were violated, how can you claim that there was no negligence?

If you watch enough episodes of "Cops" and pay attention you will see a lot of this.

And no direct knock on LEO.

 

[nipprdog]

I wonder what the civil suit will settle for?

What suit??????

 

[Denny347]

I bet the medics took her to a qualified trauma center with a police escort, too. Imagine the possible difference in outcome for the Crawfordsville citizen if he had been afforded the same level of care...