US Gov sues L3 (EOTech) for fraud

[mammynun]

If my XPS 2.0 were my only RDS I'd probably send it back, but it's not. I'm going to keep it since it hasn't lived on my "go to" rifle for quite some time.

 

[Denny347]

Eotech Sub-zero Zero Experiment - Album on Imgur

My 512 is about 10 years old. I've had range in services at 0 degree cold, monsoon rains, and 100 degree heat and flawless operation. It sits in my trunk 24/7 and it gets colder/hotter than my range temps. I have fixed iron sights with full co witness and that center dot sits right on the front sight post. A significant 20moa shift as stated would be obvious. Eotechs have been around for 20 years, something this significant was discovered by the FBI just last year? I would have figured the military would have seen this 13 years ago when their use skyrocketed in the WOT. I may replace it someday, not today.

 

[tradertator]

Eotech Sub-zero Zero Experiment - Album on Imgur

My 512 is about 10 years old. I've had range in services at 0 degree cold, monsoon rains, and 100 degree heat and flawless operation. It sits in my trunk 24/7 and it gets colder/hotter than my range temps. I have fixed iron sights with full co witness and that center dot sits right on the front sight post. A significant 20moa shift as stated would be obvious. Eotechs have been around for 20 years, something this significant was discovered by the FBI just last year? I would have figured the military would have seen this 13 years ago when their use skyrocketed in the WOT. I may replace it someday, not today.

I'm in the same boat. I've put around 8,000 rounds through my MK18 since I put my EXPS3 on it, and have had nothing but luck. I shoot the rifle in freezing temps, and I shoot it when it's 100+. I've never noticed a shift, and I would think a 20 MOA one would be pretty obvious

 

[grunt soldier]

Anyone got a refund yet? Getting ready to send mine off.

 

[cbhausen]

Anyone got a refund yet? Getting ready to send mine off.

I just sent a 512 back two days ago; they will get it on Monday or Tuesday. They approved the RMA request in less than 24 hours. I'm guessing 6-8 weeks for the refund.

 

[SMiller]

I sent out a EXPS2 and 3 last week, guessing it will be forever before I see a check.

Lots of talk online about the post office asking EoTech to send a truck to pick up their packages as they have so many.


I still don't know if I am going to jump off the bandwagon yet, I have done tons of research on switching to the Aimpoint T-2 but I still love my EoTech.

 

[M67]

Sent mine off last week, and the waiting game begins

 

[cbhausen]

I sent my 512 via UPS to avoid the USPS logjam.

 

[Principal Skinr]

Based on a conversation with the guy managing this at Eotech, I'm guessing mid-January is when the checks will start going out. We'll see.

 

[Vigilant]

Based on a conversation with the guy managing this at Eotech, I'm guessing mid-January is when the checks will start going out. We'll see.

Did he say checks, or credits? I'm curious as to whether there is a monetary refund, or a credit towards a new product that does work?

 

[SMiller]

Did he say checks, or credits? I'm curious as to whether there is a monetary refund, or a credit towards a new product that does work?

That's the 25 million dollar question...

 

[cbhausen]

That's the 25 million dollar question...

Refunds of MSRP plus $15 to cover shipping... This is written for LEOs but applies to consumers as well; good info here:

EoTech Zero Shift and Refunds: What LEOs Need to Know » The Professional Gunfighter

And here's a recent update:

http://progunfighter.com/eotech-refund-update/

 

[SMiller]

Refunds of MSRP plus $15 to cover shipping... This is written for LEOs but applies to consumers as well; good info here:

EoTech Zero Shift and Refunds: What LEOs Need to Know » The Professional Gunfighter

And here's a recent update:

EoTech Refund Update » The Professional Gunfighter

Again not one single person has received a refund and no one can say for sure, EoTech has gone out of their way to avoid the question.

 

[M67]

Based on a conversation with the guy managing this at Eotech, I'm guessing mid-January is when the checks will start going out. We'll see.

I'd be cool with mid January, but I don't want to see the line who's waiting ahead of me

But at least they let me keep the box and manual

Did he say checks, or credits? I'm curious as to whether there is a monetary refund, or a credit towards a new product that does work?

There's a long long thread on arfcom, there will be actual refunds. The credits were just interwebz rumors.

 

[cyprant]

I sent them back their box... Oops.

 

[M67]

I sent them back their box... Oops.

From my RA e-mail

To save space it is not necessary to return the plastic box with the optic.

It's not the Pelican of a Trijicon, but I'm all for having spare hard cases

 

[SMiller]

I sent the optics back in the plastic cases, no way I was going to be responsible for broken/damaged optics, hell the one I sent was brand new.

 

[M67]

I sent the optics back in the plastic cases, no way I was going to be responsible for broken/damaged optics, hell the one I sent was brand new.

According to Eotech they're all broken/damaged

 

[Who Dares Wins]

Has anyone gotten a refund yet?? Also, what is the "delamination issue" I was shooting my carbine this week and noticed that the crosshairs were a little faint in the middle of the screen, but brighter/sharper at the edges. It was as if a thin cloud is appearing. Maybe this is it and a coating is coming off one of the windows inside the sight.

 

[pftraining_in]

Has anyone gotten a refund yet?? Also, what is the "delamination issue" I was shooting my carbine this week and noticed that the crosshairs were a little faint in the middle of the screen, but brighter/sharper at the edges. It was as if a thin cloud is appearing. Maybe this is it and a coating is coming off one of the windows inside the sight.

The issue with a faded or non-existent reticle, when the laser is visible inside the site, is the result of delamination or failure of the coating that reflects the image on the glass. With out the coating the image passes through the glass and you are unable to see it.