Mollie Tibbetts is dead because of...

[Libertarian01]

At best, I think it’s a misdemeanor unless coupled with something else.


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So this undermines my premise how exactly?

Doug

 

[Hawkeye]

So this undermines my premise how exactly?

Doug

So what’s this? The Internet war or something?


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[BehindBlueI's]

No. But I believe the lack of a border wall promoted this.

A wall is a wall. Want to enforce the law? Start imprisoning employers who hire illegals. Give 6 weeks to declare yourself if you're in the country illegally. Declare yourself, you have 6 months to liquidate your assets and leave. If you have a valuable skill, an otherwise clean record, you can apply to come here legally. Do not declare yourself in the grace period, get found here illegally, everything you own is taken via forfeiture. You obtained the money, cars, house, etc. by being here illegally. Go home penniless, permanently banned from applying for legal entry.

Cheaper then a wall. Much more effective. Will *never* happen. To much vested interest in keeping wages low and a second class citizenry that you don't have to be real keen on labor laws to employ. Too many in power with too much to lose. So you get sold the wall, for feels.

 

[JeepHammer]

So what’s this? The Internet war or something?


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No, it's you...

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Crossing the border is an infraction.
Same criminal level as a parking ticket.
That's why CBP practiced 'Catch & Release'.

The idea of shooting people or blowing them up with mines over a parking ticket violation wouldn't occur to sane people.

Running from, or resisting CBP without violence is a misdemeanor.

Violence to a CBP officer (or anyone else) is a felony since it's in commission of a crime, even an infraction crime.

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Now, before the idiotic idea of holding people for months for a parking ticket crime came along, CBP caught them at breakfast, fed them lunch while processing them into US database, and they had supper in Mexico next to the bus station.
No taxpayer swindle for up to $3,000 a day being detained for months on end.
Catch & Release isn't perfect, but you don't shoot people for a parking ticket, and it doesn't cost up to $3,000 a day for months on end for that bus ticket back to Mexico (or points south).

After months in custody, they get their parking ticket and they get the bus ride.
If they come back, then they get another bus ride...
If they do it too often, then they were detained (at taxpayer expense) to drive the point home it's a bad idea to cross the border...

*IF* they present at a port of entry (proper protocol), and apply for asylum (proper protocol), they have an absloute right to bail while the asylum request is being heard, under US Federal law.
Again, avoiding the bill for the US taxpayer of up to $3,000 a day.

Facts: About 80% of asylum seekers are denied asylum.
http://checkyourfact.com/2018/06/29/fact-check-80-percent-asylum/

Facts: More than 95% of applicants show up for asylum hearings since this is their ticket to the US for good...
Most asylum seekers did show up for court hearings - Opinion - Salina Journal - Salina, KS

 

[churchmouse]

 

[BugI02]

I call BS!
Doesn't matter what your political affiliations or groups, crime hits everyone.
Mental illness aside, serious crime is more common in cities where more liberal/progressive people tend to live.
Crime is an issue, it's equal and even application of the law that concerns those people, since they also have seen the reactionaries cause just as much damage/problems as criminals.

Tax dollars have always been used to deal with crime, it's the reason we are a democratic socialist country.
The social contract is police & courts deal with criminals, the same way the socialists snow plows clear your streets & socialists sewer lines carry off your waste.

The reason someone that doesn't chant "Build The Wall" thinks it through is because that $20+ Billon could put a LOT of officers on the streets, and the military contractors don't like that.
Thinking it through means we have doubts, and doubts means our brains are working, and we are willing to consider other options.

As for 'Bribes', there is a TON more gray & black money (semi-legal, illegal) funneled into the Republican side of things.
Keep in mind the think tank that devised the strategy had a member write a book called, the name will be censored here, so this link will give you the name of the book https://underratedreads.com/ratfked...plan-to-steal-americas-democracy-david-daley/

This will tell you EXACTLY how YOU got screwed using gray & black money, how the GOP laid out & carried out a plan to steal political seats for at least 2 decades.

Is that 'Politically Correct' enough it didn't hurt your feelings?

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[JeepHammer]

How may I subscribe to your newsletter

Be glad to share my reading list.

I'm taking a break, Sen. John McCain has died.

 

[BugI02]

The man that he could have been died a long time ago

 

[bwframe]

The welfare provided to illegals along with the easy road to break our laws make coming here illegally a chip shot. Icing on the cake is a severe lack of enforcement from the libs in the so called "Justice System."

Just look at this case and so many others like it. Let alone the hundreds/thousands/??? of drunk driving homicides and other lesser crimes that don't make it into the liberal news media?

What's become of the illegal that killed our Colts player and his Uber Driver? Whose expensive truck was he driving and have they been held accountable?

We need to hold ALL of the illegal alien enablers accountable for their actions. ALL!

We need to build this wall. We need to do it before the libs get their open borders mindset any deeper into our populace. Once they have the numbers (they are not far off,) we will never win elections again.

What happens to the Second Amendment then? You know, dont you?

 

[1DOWN4UP]

If a wall could cut 10% of the herion/fentanyl/meth flow and the distruction left in it's wake,in IMHO it would have been worth it.It's not like the gov't is good stewards with our money in the first place......................Mr.Jarrell,is that you?

 

[2ADMNLOVER]

The idea of shooting people or blowing them up with mines over a parking ticket violation wouldn't occur to sane people.

You mean it wouldn't occur to soft ass " sane" folks that haven't been in the military because I assure you , that's exactly how you stop people from coming in .


You wanna know what else stops'em ? Heads on pikes , they get the hint no matter what language is spoken .

 

[1DOWN4UP]

And just saw this Tonite....rest my case.https://www.al.com/news/huntsville/index.ssf/2018/07/13-year-old_beheaded_after_wit.html

 

[BluedSteel]

If what this social justice mental patient says is true and Mollie died because men turn homicidal at the word "No" then how is any woman still alive?

Studies have shown the SJW are immune to both logic and sarcasm.

 

[BigRed]

And just saw this Tonite....rest my case.https://www.al.com/news/huntsville/index.ssf/2018/07/13-year-old_beheaded_after_wit.html

Texas has an "open season" on feral pigs.

Maybe Alabama should adopt a similar policy with an added species.

 

[hoosierdoc]

If the killer had been in prison and a judge let him out early we’d blame the judge. If you can blame his presence on someone in certain circumstances I think you can blame his being in the US illegally as the reason she’s dead.

sure she COULD have been killed by a US citizen. But she wasn’t. If she got killed in a drug war on a trip to Cancun would it be fair to blame the Mexican drug war?

 

[Kutnupe14]

Texas has an "open season" on feral pigs.

Maybe Alabama should adopt a similar policy with an added species.

I hope you mean murderers.

 

[churchmouse]

I hope you mean murderers.

Me to.

Again this is another high emotion topic. Man I do get it.

 

[churchmouse]

You mean it wouldn't occur to soft ass " sane" folks that haven't been in the military because I assure you , that's exactly how you stop people from coming in .


You wanna know what else stops'em ? Heads on pikes , they get the hint no matter what language is spoken .

I do tend to agree here. My uncles had some unique pics from their time in the Nam.

That said I see emotions are getting the best of us here. Not slamming anyone in particular just the general tone. We need to chill out just a bit or I will have to put the chill on myself. Just as soon not.

 

[IndyDave1776]

I call BS!
Doesn't matter what your political affiliations or groups, crime hits everyone.
Mental illness aside, serious crime is more common in cities where more liberal/progressive people tend to live.
Crime is an issue, it's equal and even application of the law that concerns those people, since they also have seen the reactionaries cause just as much damage/problems as criminals.

Tax dollars have always been used to deal with crime, it's the reason we are a democratic socialist country.
The social contract is police & courts deal with criminals, the same way the socialists snow plows clear your streets & socialists sewer lines carry off your waste.

The reason someone that doesn't chant "Build The Wall" thinks it through is because that $20+ Billon could put a LOT of officers on the streets, and the military contractors don't like that.
Thinking it through means we have doubts, and doubts means our brains are working, and we are willing to consider other options.

As for 'Bribes', there is a TON more gray & black money (semi-legal, illegal) funneled into the Republican side of things.
Keep in mind the think tank that devised the strategy had a member write a book called, the name will be censored here, so this link will give you the name of the book https://underratedreads.com/ratfked...plan-to-steal-americas-democracy-david-daley/

This will tell you EXACTLY how YOU got screwed using gray & black money, how the GOP laid out & carried out a plan to steal political seats for at least 2 decades.

Is that 'Politically Correct' enough it didn't hurt your feelings?

You gave us a link to a book review featuring an excerpt highlighting the fact that the moron who wrote it doesn't even understand the concept of a constitutional republic or that the United States In fact is one? It leaves me wondering whether your understanding is that deficient or you think ours is. If you actually paid for a copy of that book, I recommend placing it beside the toilet and using it to wipe so that you can get some value out of the money you spent.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

No, it's you...

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Crossing the border is an infraction.
Same criminal level as a parking ticket.
That's why CBP practiced 'Catch & Release'.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1325

(a)Improper time or place; avoidance of examination or inspection; misrepresentation and concealment of facts
Any alien who (1) enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers, or (2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers, or (3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both

Where do you face 6 months in jail for a parking ticket and 2 years in jail for a second parking ticket?

CBP practices catch and release for two reasons.
1) Political. The executive branch, regardless of which party holds it, has not wanted strict enforcement.
2) Resources. Nobody wants to pay for the jail time, the courts, etc. to actually enforce the law.

Even with you being wrong, that's not the main problem with your statement. A country without enforceable borders lacks sovereignty. While I'm against the wall due to ineffectiveness, I'm quite for an enforceable border policy. The resources would be much more effective in deterring illegal entry spent on making entry less attractive. Making it impossible for illegals to gain employment, risking imprisonment before ejection, etc. are going to do more than a wall we lack the resources and will to enforce.