Mollie Tibbetts is dead because of...

[churchmouse]

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1325



Where do you face 6 months in jail for a parking ticket and 2 years in jail for a second parking ticket?

CBP practices catch and release for two reasons.
1) Political. The executive branch, regardless of which party holds it, has not wanted strict enforcement.
2) Resources. Nobody wants to pay for the jail time, the courts, etc. to actually enforce the law.

Even with you being wrong, that's not the main problem with your statement. A country without enforceable borders lacks sovereignty. While I'm against the wall due to ineffectiveness, I'm quite for an enforceable border policy. The resources would be much more effective in deterring illegal entry spent on making entry less attractive. Making it impossible for illegals to gain employment, risking imprisonment before ejection, etc. are going to do more than a wall we lack the resources and will to enforce.

Winner....shut down the thread.

 

[Twangbanger]

The welfare provided to illegals along with the easy road to break our laws make coming here illegally a chip shot. Icing on the cake is a severe lack of enforcement from the libs in the so called "Justice System."

Just look at this case and so many others like it. Let alone the hundreds/thousands/??? of drunk driving homicides and other lesser crimes that don't make it into the liberal news media?

What's become of the illegal that killed our Colts player and his Uber Driver? Whose expensive truck was he driving and have they been held accountable?

We need to hold ALL of the illegal alien enablers accountable for their actions. ALL!

We need to build this wall. We need to do it before the libs get their open borders mindset any deeper into our populace. Once they have the numbers (they are not far off,) we will never win elections again.

What happens to the Second Amendment then? You know, dont you?

This is what many of us, and particularly those raving about the Constitution, fail to grasp. Once Texas Turns Blue - the Constitution won't matter at all any more. (Or, to correct myself, it will matter even less than it does now). Blue Texas means no further debate, thought, consideration, or persuasion has to occur, because control of the country has been permanently delivered to The Left, delivered not through process of persuasion, but simply via importation of voters with no working historical experience with living in a free country and inufficient "assimilation into the lifestyle."

I cannot ascertain the motivations of those who think enforcing the laws is somehow undermining the Constitution. We have a process for making and changing the laws. Currently, we have people breaking them. Enforcement is lax. It has harmful effects on our society.

(BTW, excellent post Burl...)

 

[hoosierdoc]

If we ended the absurd birthright citizenship and had a solid enforcement to deny welfare benefits and jobs to illegals we wouldn’t need a wall

 

[2ADMNLOVER]

I do tend to agree here. My uncles had some unique pics from their time in the Nam. .

I knew a Nam era ROK Marine and his pics were the inspiration for my comment .

 

[churchmouse]

I knew a Nam era ROK Marine and his pics were the inspiration for my comment .

Yup. Uncles were Army. Rangers. But the pics told a far different story than the MSM of the day.

 

[Libertarian01]

A wall is a wall. Want to enforce the law? Start imprisoning employers who hire illegals. Give 6 weeks to declare yourself if you're in the country illegally. Declare yourself, you have 6 months to liquidate your assets and leave. If you have a valuable skill, an otherwise clean record, you can apply to come here legally. Do not declare yourself in the grace period, get found here illegally, everything you own is taken via forfeiture. You obtained the money, cars, house, etc. by being here illegally. Go home penniless, permanently banned from applying for legal entry.

Cheaper then a wall. Much more effective. Will *never* happen. To much vested interest in keeping wages low and a second class citizenry that you don't have to be real keen on labor laws to employ. Too many in power with too much to lose. So you get sold the wall, for feels.

I agree that the wall is no good without other defense mechanisms. Security always comes in layers. We discuss the wall as a physical thing, which it is, but it is also symbolic of defending our national perimeter overall.

That said, you can have the strongest door in the world but without "walls" on either side of it, it does no good.

I have argued before, in agreement with you here, that we could shut down 90% of illegal/improper persons within our nation if we just forced the IRS to share data with ICE (or whomever tracks down illegals.)

I also agree that there are strong interests in never allowing this to happen. It is often spoken by employers that, "If it weren't for illegals I couldn't hire a white American to do this job." My response is "Bull, you can't find a white American FOR THE PAY YOU WANT TO PAY!" I will freely admit that employers are partially caught in the prisoners dilemma, but if the entire workforce in any industry were to suddenly be compelled to increase pay there would be a small amount of overall loss, but people still need their work done and would be forced to pay it, just like if gasoline goes up $0.50 a gallon, folks still buy.

The IRS sees all the tax returns. They see Doug in Fort Wayne's SSN at my workplace. When they see it crop up in Los Angeles and Miami and Chicago they simply turn that data over to ICE and say, "Here are four (4) uses of Doug's SSN, go figure out which one is right, then nail the other three (3)." If you were to throw on a hefty fine for those hiring (either directly or through contracting) the other three (3) this would stop and right quick. The ripple effects throughout employers would be quick and decisive.

I will respectfully argue that in the final analysis we do need to be able to control our border better. Not all of the traffic across it is decent, hard working people. There are those criminal and other elements that don't care about lawful employment but are only here to cause problems. Neither your nor my solutions address those folks, but a wall does reduce the ease of crossing. For these problem children the cost benefit analysis would need more thorough scrutiny.

Regards,

Doug

 

[Leadeye]

The issue with fines for hiring illegals is that it's just a cost of doing business. The laws would have to be changed to hold corporate leadership criminally responsible facing ugly jail time if convicted. Like BBI said though, it isn't going to happen.

 

[2ADMNLOVER]

Yup. Uncles were Army. Rangers. But the pics told a far different story than the MSM of the day.

Yea they didn't have a border problem , guess some old ways are still the best .

 

[JeepHammer]

You mean it wouldn't occur to soft ass " sane" folks that haven't been in the military because I assure you , that's exactly how you stop people from coming in .


You wanna know what else stops'em ? Heads on pikes , they get the hint no matter what language is spoken .

No, 16 in the Marine Corps, and we don't shoot unarmed civilians. It's a war crime.

So, you advocate shooting everyone and mounting heads on spikes.
How does that sound when someone doesn't like your particular political views?
I'm SURE you would want every consideration, to take advantage of simple human & legal rights, to NOT get shot over a parking ticket...

I would give YOU the consideration of paying your ticket instead of shooting you, that's the difference between me & you.

 

[churchmouse]

Yea they didn't have a border problem , guess some old ways are still the best .

Yeah but not these days. We need to deal with what is at hand.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

No, 16 in the Marine Corps, and we don't shoot unarmed civilians. It's a war crime.

So, you advocate shooting everyone and mounting heads on spikes.
How does that sound when someone doesn't like your particular political views?
I'm SURE you would want every consideration, to take advantage of simple human & legal rights, to NOT get shot over a parking ticket...

I would give YOU the consideration of paying your ticket instead of shooting you, that's the difference between me & you.

You keep coming back to the parking ticket. See post #80.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

No, 16 in the Marine Corps, and we don't shoot unarmed civilians. It's a war crime.

So, you advocate shooting everyone and mounting heads on spikes.
How does that sound when someone doesn't like your particular political views?
I'm SURE you would want every consideration, to take advantage of simple human & legal rights, to NOT get shot over a parking ticket...

I would give YOU the consideration of paying your ticket instead of shooting you, that's the difference between me & you.

Not a parking ticket. For someone as well read as you claim to be, you seem to have issues reading federal code even when posted for you.

I'm curious if in your 16 years you ever pulled guard duty. Ever guard a SCIF? Or a PSP? Or even a barracks for that matter. Would you use force to repel someone who was not authorized to enter or just shrug and say they'll pay their fine later. It's a national security issue, just like border security. Who taught you that it would be a war crime if you had to protect a SCIF or PSP with deadly force if the intruder wasn't armed but there was no other way to prevent the intrusion? I sure never got that lesson as a soldier or as a security contractor actually protecting those sorts of installations.

 

[HoughMade]

On topic...but completely different.

[video=youtube;U-kxdyJs6y8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-kxdyJs6y8&t=4s[/video]

 

[Dead Duck]

This is a picture in India. (I think) Just looked online for something close.
Anyway, I posted this picture because it is a close copy and same consistency of people on the trains I have seen in the desert of Arizona. My brother and I camped out there all the time and we have seen this a lot when we camp close to the tracks out there. Full of Mexicans not hiding from the engineers, on top, hanging off the sides and inside every unlocked box car. All of them with smiles on their faces. Late 80s on up.

But we don't have an immigration problem.

Growing up in southern California it was just a running joke that the illegals didn't have to abide by our laws because nobody punished them for anything they did. Unless they were caught doing a big crime but then what, deportation? Huge double standards. I've seen and been in car accidents where we as citizens had to have insurance but the illegals didn't. They were let go and the cops would make sure we had uninsured motorist insurance. The ones that did have a drivers license had forged papers. They slid into the school systems, the welfare systems and somehow got more benefits than anyone born here.

I also also grew up with all the Mexican gangs from San Diego to LA.. The drugs just poured in and the missing people just disappeared somehow. Sex trafficking or whatever. Oh and if your car or kid got stolen, good luck. Less than a day they're down south. Nobody seemed to care unless it happened to them. They all just said it was part of living there. The running joke.

But we don't have an immigration problem.

A wall was talked about all my life out there but nothing ever really became of it. Well it's being talked about again lately and in a serious matter. I'm excited to see it built. All you guys who think the problems are all just stories that are overblown, think again. I was there and saw 40+ years of it so ya, it's a problem. The wall is NOT the only thing that needs to happen to help but the wall is the biggest thing that needs to be built ASAP.

Guess what - We Have An Immigration Problem and we've had it for a long ****ing time now.

 

[2ADMNLOVER]

Yeah but not these days. We need to deal with what is at hand.

Some kind of better border security then whack a mole as the training camps pop up , good luck with those best intentions .

 

[actaeon277]

 

[bwframe]

This is a picture in India. (I think) Just looked online for something close.
Anyway, I posted this picture because it is a close copy and same consistency of people on the trains I have seen in the desert of Arizona. My brother and I camped out there all the time and we have seen this a lot when we camp close to the tracks out there. Full of Mexicans not hiding from the engineers, on top, hanging off the sides and inside every unlocked box car. All of them with smiles on their faces. Late 80s on up.

But we don't have an immigration problem.

Growing up in southern California it was just a running joke that the illegals didn't have to abide by our laws because nobody punished them for anything they did. Unless they were caught doing a big crime but then what, deportation? Huge double standards. I've seen and been in car accidents where we as citizens had to have insurance but the illegals didn't. They were let go and the cops would make sure we had uninsured motorist insurance. The ones that did have a drivers license had forged papers. They slid into the school systems, the welfare systems and somehow got more benefits than anyone born here.

I also also grew up with all the Mexican gangs from San Diego to LA.. The drugs just poured in and the missing people just disappeared somehow. Sex trafficking or whatever. Oh and if your car or kid got stolen, good luck. Less than a day they're down south. Nobody seemed to care unless it happened to them. They all just said it was part of living there. The running joke.

But we don't have an immigration problem.

A wall was talked about all my life out there but nothing ever really became of it. Well it's being talked about again lately and in a serious matter. I'm excited to see it built. All you guys who think the problems are all just stories that are overblown, think again. I was there and saw 40+ years of it so ya, it's a problem. The wall is NOT the only thing that needs to happen to help but the wall is the biggest thing that needs to be built ASAP.

Guess what - We Have An Immigration Problem and we've had it for a long ****ing time now.

 

[JeepHammer]

So, I see the family of Molly say not to make Molly's murder about immigration or minorities, but I'm supposed to believe a meme generated by a paid pundit over her actual family?
Not that slow...

I'm supposed to believe a train left India but rolled through Arizona because a meme says I need to?
Again, not that slow...

Not a Communist, so I ignore Russian troll mill propaganda.
Not low IQ or education, so I ignore far right or far left propaganda.
Not a white supremacist, so I ignore race bating propaganda.

 

[churchmouse]

Some kind of better border security then whack a mole as the training camps pop up , good luck with those best intentions .

Oh I am no fan of what we are doing now. Not in the least. I just see so much idiotic resistance from the left/progressives/socialists that no clear end insight.

 

[churchmouse]

So, I see the family of Molly say not to make Molly's murder about immigration or minorities, but I'm supposed to believe a meme generated by a paid pundit over her actual family?
Not that slow...

I'm supposed to believe a train left India but rolled through Arizona because a meme says I need to?
Again, not that slow...

Not a Communist, so I ignore Russian troll mill propaganda.
Not low IQ or education, so I ignore far right or far left propaganda.
Not a white supremacist, so I ignore race bating propaganda.

I would just like to say what in the world are you on about. The train is admittedly in India and just a reference to whats going on here. There have been multiple specials about the train riding law breakers. I have seen these and it is happening.

I guess I am just confused as to why you are so resistant to a secure border. Are you serious about this or in fact just being a contrarian. I do not see any race bait in this. It is a border issue. No one has alluded to your IQ that I have seen. Russia is not in question in this conversation unless I missed something.

Mollie is just one of so many people effected to the negative by this wave of humanity. You need to roll up here. I will buy your lunch and then take you on a grand tour of little (and growing daily) mexico. It will open your partially closed eyes.

You are invited sir.